slowhand Digest Volume 01 : Issue 247
Today's Topics:
Charley Patton Box Set
Re: Who's the Enemy?
New EC tribute
Four Faces of Eric Clapton
Masonic Hand Shaker
Masonic Hand Shaker
GET A LIFE....AOL ? NOT
EC Confirmed for Charity Benefit
re: Problems receiving the Digest
More Technical Talk ( was re: Who's the Enemy )
Test
Temporary Hack for AOL Folks
Testing ( courtesy ECLA )
Testing ( courtesy ECLA )
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From: Ryan Noyes
CC: slowhand@planet-torque.com
Subject: Charley Patton Box Set
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Brian,
I would avoid the Patton box set.. Consider instead: "Definitive Charley
Patton" on the Catfish label. It runs about $23 USD and includes basically
everything known to exist. Next, and MUCH more important, purchase "Deep Blues"
by Robert Palmer and a blank notebook. The Palmer book is your resource to
learn who Patton was, what Dockery Farms was (a very important place for Tommy
Johnson, Robert Johnson, Shines, Honeyboy Edwards, Waters, etc. If I recollect
correctly, about 20% of the book is devoted to Patton. I have since learned
that if one of us made a tall flowchart where Patton was at the top, we would
have a valuable teaching resource. I picked the book up about two years ago and
must say that I've read it three times and still have a few unanswered
questions. Its a very dense read, but a very rewarding read. You finish that
piece and, as hard as the read is, you turn to the last page and have really
learned a fascinating piece of musical history. Extensive anthropologists and
musicologists are relied upon. Oh, and read the intro (don't skip to chapter
1). The index at the back of the book is also still relied upon at my end. The
price of the book as a paperback was about $12, I think. Believe me, the read
is necessary to understand those Patton discs. I have since veered into
bluegrass, but I intend to gobble up Tommy Johnson, Skip James, and Honeyboy
Edwards. Their music makes a lot more sense to me when I hear it on the blues
shows now. BTW, if your funds are tight, I'd buy the book first and the Patton
second. Yes, that book is how I learned what "Pony Blues" really means, who
"Railroad Bill" really was, where the more "famous" Cleveland sits, not Tim
Duffy ;-))
Now, getting back to the Duffy post, I must mention that Etta Baker, for
example, at the age of 88 is carrying-on musical talent that was rooted in the
Patton environment. She's living history and that Railroad Bill album is a hell
of a great find.
-Ryan
(I cc'ed the Slowhand Digest because I think a Clapton fan or two could benefit
from learning some roots of the blues.)
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From: "Mark Deavult"
Cc: "Slowhand List"
Subject: Re: Who's the Enemy?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "ToeKneeF"
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 1:00 AM
Subject: Who's the Enemy?
> I find it inconceivable that people are blaming Dave for their AOL
> related problems
Good call,
I don't think anyone should be "blamed" for the problems.
However, many of those having problems aren't on AOL, so it's fair to say
that AOL alone isn't the cause.
I've done some amateur detective work this evening, this is what I've found
so far:
1) I subscribe to about 16 Digests in all, and none of the others have
reported ANY problems like this. Of the other 15 Digests, all come
delivered as a single "plain text" message. The Slowhand Digest comes as a
multipart message, i.e. each individual message can be read seperately.
This has its advantages, but then again its disadvantages as well. So one
possible option is to change the Digest to a "plain text" format, like most
other mailing lists seem to use, which would probably solve the problems.
2) I have NO IDEA if this next part would cause the nondelivery of Digests,
but as brought to Mr. Hillman's attention on May 9, the format the Digests
are mailed in is actually NOT compliant with the RFC1341(MIME) mail
protocols. The standards (as can be found at
http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc1341/7_2_Multipart.html) in particular state:
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Multipart/Digest Subtype:
This document defines a "digest" subtype of the multipart Content-Type. This
type is syntactically identical to multipart/mixed, but the semantics are
different. In particular, in a digest, the default Content-Type value for a
body part is changed from "text/plain" to "message/rfc822".
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However, a quick look at the Digest source shows that each message is
illegally set to 'Content-type: text/plain' instead of 'message/rfc822".
I don't know if this flaw would result in the nondelivery of Digests to some
subscribers, but it's reasonable to think that perhaps this is one of those
situations where some ISPs (for instance AOL) are rejecting the Digest
because it is illegally formatted, whereas other ISPs (like mine) allow it
to pass, even though it isn't technically compliant. Another way to phrase
that would be to say that just because a cop lets you speed as you drive by
him, doesn't mean you aren't breaking the law, and the next cop might not
ignore you!
In any case, the fact remains that the more people who have access to the
Digest, the better it is for ALL of us. This is the single best source for
EC fans, and steps should be taken to make sure everyone gets in on the fun,
so we all benefit!
Mark Deavult
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From: Jon Maclean
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I notice scanning the Billboard new releases that there is another EC
tribute CD (released Oct 2) called "Legendary: The Steel Guitar Tribute to
Eric Clapton", on CMH label.
Presumably (not having heard it) this is along similar lines to the "Pickin'
On Eric Clapton" tribute released a couple of years back, and is more
country orientated..
I also notice "Good Rockin' Tonight: The Legacy of Sun Records" is to be
released on Sire Records on Oct 30.
It should be worth chasing up, and not just for Eric's contribution.
Cheers,
Jon
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From: "Mark Deavult"
Subject: Four Faces of Eric Clapton
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Is anyone out there familiar with the Oz TV/radio broadcast "The Four Faces
of Eric Clapton"?
This is *not* to be confused with the 8CD Bootleg set of the same title - I
am referring to a production from the 1990 RAH shows that apparently was
broadcast on TV and radio in the Australian market, we are talking PERFECT
BOARD here!
I haven't the TV version (although I am told that it exists) but I do have
the audio, with a tracklist as follows:
1) Pretending - 1/24/90 "Four Piece" Band
2) White Room - 1/24/90 "Four Piece" Band
3) Key to the Highway - 2/5/90 "Blues" Band
4) Bad Love - AH HAH! What is this?
5) Tearing Us Apart - ditto - mystery!
6) Edge of Darkness - one of the orchestra nights, haven't compared.
7) Layla - Ah HAH again!
Ok, the 1/24/90 has been released to death - I'll never be "sick" of that
show but suffice it to say I can ID any track from it in about the first
three notes - if I'm ever a contestant on "Name that Tune" and they throw in
that bootleg, I win hands down, ok? Likewise the 2/5/90 blues band stuff
(good but I prefer 2/25/91 as my favorite of the RAH Blues Nights".
Likewise the "Edge" is I am sure from one of the commonly available shows,
99% certain it's 2/10/90.
But WAIT! What are tracks 4, 5, and 7? These are from the *thirteen piece*
band with horns from 1990! Maybe I'm out of the loop, but I haven't seen
soundboards of these shows floating around anywhere, and this show was
broadcast in late 1990 I am told, so they *have* to be from the 1990 RAH
run.
Is anyone familiar with this broadcast? I'd got a perfect audio copy but
I'd love to find a video copy of it (and would be happy to put it on VideoCD
or even *gasp* DVD-R for all to enjoy). If anyone knows the broadcast date
or any more details about this broadcast, please chime in! This one's a gem
waiting to be unearthed.
Cheers,
Mark Deavult
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From: eric butler
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Hello Everyone - just back from the States.
Mr Clapton sends his best wishes.
Lots to catch up on ...
I see the British actor James Fox asked a couple of
questions in the last submission about Mr Mason.
(Isn't it funny how there are so many made up names on
the Digest ?).
"Roll It Over" was the B-Side of the UK single "Tell
The Truth" and was the Mr Spector-faster-version. The
single was withdrawn at Mr Clapton's request because
of the Layla sessions ... so no mystery about "Roll It
Over" being pulled.
Mr Mason did play with Derek and the Dominoes at the
Lyceum in London on there first public charity
performance.
It was Mr Ashton who use to call Mr Clapton by the
name Del during the late '60s and hit upon calling the
new band Del & The Dominoes - but Mr Clapton took
Derek as the first name instead. Great days. Great
days.
Must dash, having lunch with Mr Page.
Best Wishes
Eric (Eric's Butler) Butler
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Hello Everyone - just back from the States.
Mr Clapton sends his best wishes.
Lots to catch up on ...
I see the British actor James Fox asked a couple of
questions in the last submission about Mr Mason.
(Isn't it funny how there are so many made up names on
the Digest ?).
"Roll It Over" was the B-Side of the UK single "Tell
The Truth" and was the Mr Spector-faster-version. The
single was withdrawn at Mr Clapton's request because
of the Layla sessions ... so no mystery about "Roll It
Over" being pulled.
Mr Mason did play with Derek and the Dominoes at the
Lyceum in London on there first public charity
performance.
It was Mr Ashton who use to call Mr Clapton by the
name Del during the late '60s and hit upon calling the
new band Del & The Dominoes - but Mr Clapton took
Derek as the first name instead. Great days. Great
days.
Must dash, having lunch with Mr Page.
Best Wishes
Eric (Eric's Butler) Butler
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From: ChriSparky
Subject: GET A LIFE....AOL ? NOT
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the post blaming Dave for not getting SD via AOL has
to be the lowest thing I have ever read here...if AOl
can not get you SD then try one of the many FREE
e-mail providers that will....unless AOL bans you
surfing to yahoo or msn to use their e-mail. you're
free to go somewhere else ya know...if I were Dave,
after reading that post, I'd walk away from doing
this....wouldn't blame him if he did...not that I
would be happy about it....Dave, I'm a long time
reader/poster and I appreciate your efforts....THANK
YOU
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From: "Mark Deavult"
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So, who's going to be at Nile's before the show?
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More Superstars Confirmed For 'Concert for New York'
Veteran rock artists Eric Clapton, Mick Jagger, and Billy Joel are among
those newly confirmed to participate in the Concert for New York, set for
Oct. 20 at New York's Madison Square Garden. Latin superstar Marc Anthony,
and up and coming acts Five For Fighting and India.Arie have also been added
to the bill.
As previously reported, the concert -- which will be broadcast commercial
free on MTV, VH1, and other networks, and simulcast on radio stations
internationally -- will also boast performances from Paul McCartney, the
Who, Bon Jovi, John Mellencamp, Macy Gray, Melissa Etheridge, the Goo Goo
Dolls, and James Taylor, as well as comedians Jerry Seinfeld and Jim Carrey.
Also rumored to be invited to take part are David Bowie, Garth Brooks, and a
reunion of the surviving members of Led Zeppelin, although none have yet
been confirmed. Bruce Springsteen, another rumored performer, is also as yet
unconfirmed, but is expected to take part in a pair of benefit shows two
nights earlier (Oct. 18, 19) at the Count Basie Theatre in Red Bank, N.J.,
according to the Newark Star Ledger.
The sold-out New Jersey shows -- which will feature E Street Band bassist
Garry Tallent acting as musical director, as well as E Street drummer Max
Weinberg, Sonny Burgess, Joan Jett, and Phoebe Snow -- were originally set
up to benefit World Hunger Year, but will now provide relief for
tragedy-affected Jersey Shore-area victims and their families through the
Alliance of Neighbors of Monmouth County.
Those concerts were also originally scheduled for Oct. 19 and 20, leading
many to speculate that Springsteen and several members of the E Street Band
will participate in the MSG show, as was the case with the Sept. 21
"America: A Tribute to Heroes" telethon, which raised more than $150 million
for the United Way's September 11th Fund.
Tickets for the Concert for New York will go on sale Monday (Oct. 8) via
Ticketmaster, with VIP tickets available through the Robin Hood Foundation.
Proceeds will benefit the Twin Towers Fund, which was established by New
York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani to assist and support the families of
uniformed services members and other government personnel lost in the
tragedy, plus other unnamed charities.
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From: David Hillman
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Carol wrote...
> It's been about a month now, hasn't it, since a lot of AOL members have
> been unable to receive the digest? Apparently, Dave, our faithful
> administrator, prefers to carry on his hate campaign with AOL by letting
> us flounder out here.
Oh boy, Carol... where to start? Probably here; as I've mentioned
several times now, I cannot fix AOL's problems. I do not work for AOL,
nor do I wish to. As such, I cannot fix AOL's problems. Did you get
that?
> Dave, AOL is the largest system of it's kind in the world. Do you really
> think you'll win overall? Also, I understand other folks with ISPs such
> as Earthlink are now starting to not receive the digest, too.
Win what? I'm not competing with AOL. I do not expect AOL to care
whether or not my Digests get delivered.
With respect to Earthlink, I have an Earthlink account at which I
receive the Digest ( I get it at four different addresses, just to test
delivery ) and service there has been uninterrupted. That said, there are
always bounces, even from reliable systems; I receive hundreds.
> Some of us are wondering if you really still want to do this anymore?
> Would you like someone else to take over this highly paid job?
Sounds like I have a volunteer replacement. I will warn you, the
negative pay sucks.
> I realize you get no thanks for it. But it's getting frustrating to just
> be told by you to get another service because your digest won't honor
> the one we have.
As I mentioned, there is nothing I can do to fix AOL's delivery
problems. If it makes you feel any better, I've recently spoken to
support staff at two other ISPs who tell me that they have tens
of thousands of messages backed up in their queues, waiting for AOL
delivery. ( Those queues also delay or interrupt delivery to non-AOL
people. )
Whatever the current problem is there, it appears to be seriously
affecting other mail delivery as well.
I'll page Steve Case and let him know that I want these issues taken
care of ASAP.
> Have you considered taking your digest over to Yahoo which would let you
> run it for free and not cause the problems to AOL folks and others that
> presently exist?
You'd think, in the context of this discussion, I wouldn't have to
point out that "You pay for what you get". "Free" service is most likely
the problem with AOL, they simply have more non-paying customers than they
can handle.
Not to mention a host of other issues with Yahoo and similar services.
For example, in order to register at Yahoo, you are required to provide
specific demographic data, which they then sell to mass marketers so they
can send you Spam. ( Of course, on AOL, you probably won't receive that
anyway. )
> A lot of folks out here would appreciate a resolution to this that lets
> us all receive the digest hassle-free again.
I know, because those are folks I consider my friends in many cases;
unfortunately, you're barking up the wrong tree.
Also, if I wished to prevent AOL users from subscribing, I'd do so. In
fact, three or four years ago I almost did exactly that, because I simply
do not have enough time to trouble-shoot every AOL problem, and
invariably, AOL users complain the loudest and the longest.
The following offer is the best I can do; in the spirit of "you pay for
what you get", I'm prepared to institute a money-back guarantee on
Slowhand Digest delivery.
Please contact me privately with the issue number(s) you did not
receive and I will refund 100% of your subscription fee.
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D a v i d H i l l m a n
hillman@planet-torque.com
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From: David Hillman
Subject: More Technical Talk ( was re: Who's the Enemy )
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Mark wrote...
> However, a quick look at the Digest source shows that each message is
> illegally set to 'Content-type: text/plain' instead of 'message/rfc822".
Quoting RFCs is a good way to get a response out of me. My response
to the above issue is that, unfortunately, the syntax described in RFC822
conflicts with that in RFC934; as mentioned in 822, "This is done to
allow a more readable digest format that is largely compatible (except for
the quoting convention) with RFC 934."
Way back when I first made the choice, I picked the 934 syntax. It may
be time to revisit that decision, especially since I've changed quoting
and separating styles since then, IIRC.
> I don't know if this flaw would result in the nondelivery of Digests to
> some subscribers, but it's reasonable to think that perhaps this is one
> of those situations where some ISPs (for instance AOL) are rejecting the
> Digest because it is illegally formatted, whereas other ISPs (like mine)
> allow it to pass, even though it isn't technically compliant.
That is possible, but frankly I'd be shocked and amazed to find that
AOL is able to process millions of messages daily, *and parse them for
content types*. Especially since, as I mentioned, they are having
problems with delivery of normal mail as well.
> In any case, the fact remains that the more people who have access to
> the Digest, the better it is for ALL of us. This is the single best
> source for EC fans, and steps should be taken to make sure everyone gets
> in on the fun, so we all benefit!
I'm working on that, and part of the motivation for this message is to
kick out a Digest to test a change. You'll all be the first to know of
any progress.
--
D a v i d H i l l m a n
hillman@planet-torque.com
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From: David Hillman
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Wasn't quite wordy enough to reach the Digest size limit in my last
attempt.
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hillman@planet-torque.com
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From: David Hillman
Subject: Temporary Hack for AOL Folks
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The test was reasonably successful. As of right now, you can visit;
http://planet-torque.com/slowhand/latest.txt
and see the latest messages posted to the Slowhand Digest. This may
even work via AOL.
When I say "the latest messages", I mean it. This is a very
unsophisticated hack which copies the in-progress Digest to that location
every time a submission is received. In other words, if you check it
immediately after a Digest is sent, it may only have one message. Or, it
may have the whole shebang.
It will be a bit like playing the lottery, until I get enough spare
tire to make it sexier, and more functional.
Enjoy.
--
D a v i d H i l l m a n
hillman@planet-torque.com
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Everybody Oughta Make A Change
by Sleepy John Estes
Change in the weather, change in the sea,
Come back baby, you'll find a change in me.
Everybody, they ought to change sometime,
Because sooner or later we have to go down in that lonesome ground.
I changed suits, I changed shirts,
I changed, baby, just to get shed of the dirt.
Everybody, we ought to change sometime,
Because sooner or later we're going down in that lonesome ground.
I changed honey, I changed money,
I changed, people, just to keep from being funny.
Everybody, they ought to change sometime,
Because sooner or later we're going down in that lonesome ground.
Change in the ocean, change in the sea,
Come back baby, you'll find a change in me.
Everybody, we ought to change sometime,
Because sooner or later we're going down in that lonesome ground.
--
D a v i d H i l l m a n
hillman@planet-torque.com
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Got To Get Better In A Little While
by Eric Clapton
Don't you know what's wrong with me?
I'm seeing things I don't want to see.
Sniffing things that ain't no good for me.
I'm going down fast, won't you say a prayer for me?
It's got to get better in a little while.
It's got to get better in a little while.
It's got to get better in a little while.
It's got to get better in a little while.
The sun's got to shine on my guitar someday.
Revolution all across the land.
Just like Sly, you got to take a stand.
Please don't hurt nobody, don't knock them down;
Give them a helping hand to get off the ground.
Chorus
The sun's got to shine on my guitar someday.
Still one thing that you can do;
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D a v i d H i l l m a n
hillman@planet-torque.com
End of slowhand Digest V01 Issue #247