slowhand Digest Volume 02 : Issue 19
Today's Topics:
Re: Budokan soundboard offer
Safe Position (not EC, the critics)
Re: Concert poster?
Budokan offer closed
Genius of Clapton
MP3 of the Week...not this week!
re: Eric Clapton's Career Questions
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From: "Pat Toth"
Subject: Re: Budokan soundboard offer
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And to show we should all give a little I'll do the same except for the
first 3 to e-mail me I'll b&p the last concert of this tour on the 15th of December.
But only the first 3. (or 4 :-)))
Cheers to you Olli
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: olli oksala
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:07 PM
Subject: Budokan soundboard offer
> Hello all,
> As a thank you to all nice Slowhanders I'm offering a sounboard
> recording of EC's Budokan gig on the 4th of December 2001 to first
> three to e-mail me(not this list).
> The only condition is, that those who get it, do the same to first
> three Slowhanders to contact them.
> The recording is a very nice soundboard document of this famous
> Autopilot-phase of Clapton's career.
>
> Cheers
> Olli (the arrogant)
> P.S. Parts of this messages are not meant to be taken that seriously,
> but the offer certainly was.
>
> ...............................................
> Oma sähköposti aina käytössä! http://luukku.com
>
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From: "Dwyer"
Subject: Safe Position (not EC, the critics)
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Hello Everybody!
My previous post flaming Mr.Greg Kot received some responses I would like to
comment.
To Jess Mayers:
You have a very good point about critics not having to prove anything
onstage, since they're paid to write, not to play. This argument is what I
call smart and articulated. I didn't think about that, since my post was
clearly emotional, not rational like yours, thanks:-)
But the point that maybe wasn't that clear, is that I hate the premise that
music critics are in a VERY safe position, where they're paid to criticize,
but nobody is paid to criticize THEM. That's sooo damn easy for them-hehe As
a music fan, I would say that is my right to flame any critic who's not
going to do his/her work properly, cause if I don't do that, who will gonna
be? As a matter of fact, they're supposely working for us, although they
think about their self-promotion and own pleasure first, as many times they
do. Newspaper editors generaly don't pay too much attention in this area,
once they're too worried with the political and economical issues, and other
areas who demand a closer patrol. If a music journalist says something
stupid, it won't wreck anyone's life as much as if, let's say, some
journalist writing about policticians says something innacurate about a
candidate right before an election. Clapton, as someone noted, has his own
shield developed against music parasites, I mean, critics. I don't, though
:-)
I liked your point anyway, and I won't use my old ''come onstage and do it
better yourself, idiot!" to any music critic. But this safe/superior
position that music critics have still disgust me.
To John Broholm:
I agree with every single 2 cents of yours :-)
That's it folks,
[]'s Fabio
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Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:47:41 +0000
From: Jess Mayers
Subject: on critics and objectivity
Hi Slowhand-digest,
This is my first-time posting so excuse my use of the bandwidth....
Oscar Wilde, the British essayist and sometime critic (I know, I know, he
was Irish) once said that a true critic can only criticize if his
abilities are as good, if not better, in his field than the person that
he / she is criticizing (I'm paraphrasing as my somewhat addled-brain is
harking back into the memory bank). That being the case, 99% of critics
don't have a leg to stand on when they talk about the artist in
disparaging terms. Let's see the critic get up on stage and put on a
good show. Critics get paid to criticize, whether it adequately
addresses the issue of what is being reviewed is beside the point. If a
critic wants to make a name for himself / herself often times they'll
puposely downgrade a show - even if it was really good - just so that
people who read the reveiw will remember the critic. A sad state of
affairs but never-the-less as true today as! ! it was in Oscar Wilde's
time around 1890 - 1900. My question has always been: did you like the
show? If so, then praise it. If not, pray tell, what was it about the
show that you didn't like. But don't go around trying to sway people's
judgment or artistic merit based on your own limited viewpoint. What one
person doesn't like may be the exact thing that somebody else raves
about.
- Jess :-D
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From: "John Broholm"
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:17 PM
> Roger Ebert, a Chicago critic with some cred, says that if you find a
critic with whom you absolutely disagree all the time, READ HIM/HER
RELIGIOUSLY. The theory is, at least you can depend on where the criticism
is coming from. Personally, I've always thought mass media criticism (as in
assessment of commercial culture bad & good) has been an exercise in
arrogance and futility. Criticism in its best form sets art and music into a
higher context and, while definitely opinionated, comes to conclusions that
rise above "I like/I don't like." Not many newspaper or magazine critics can
pull that off, or even want to. It takes real thought, and thinking is hard
work. Some of them are at least able to articulate their intellectual
process -- most are unable. So take this guy for what he's worth -- or
alternatively, what he ISN'T worth.
>
> John Broholm
> Lawrence, KS
>
> >>I didn't get upset when I read the comments Greg Kot made about EC. I
live
> in Chicago but never read his page in the paper. I only know about it
from
> the digest, I don't read the paper. Why, because its been my
experience over
> the years that when ever I see a concert that I really like, Greg Kot
knocks
> it. His opinion is 180 degrees away from mine.<<
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>
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From: "Scott Wallenberg"
Cc: "Slowhander"
Subject: Re: Concert poster?
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I would try Eric's official merchandise vender Winterland Productions in San
Francisco,CA
Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Delman
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 5:35 PM
Subject: Concert poster?
> Hi, Slowhanders:
>
> Does anyone know a good source for concert posters? Specifically,
> I'm looking for the poster for EC's November, 1994 appearances at
> the Fillmore in S. F.
>
> Thanks for the bandwidth,
>
> Michael Delman
>
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From: olli oksala
Subject: Budokan offer closed
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Hi all,
The Budokan 4.12.2001 soundboard offer is closed on my part.
Donna, Brian and Sean were the fastest to respond and they'll recieve
their CDRs early next week. I'm sure they will do their part of the
deal.
Thanks to all who mailed me.
BTW, if anybody has any knowledge of recordings from the following
shows, please inform me:
RAH 3.2.1988
Globen 8.4.1995
Helsinki 6.4.2001
Cheers
Olli
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From: KingoftheBlues@webtv.net (M P)
Subject: Genius of Clapton
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With all the talk about EC coasting and the like,he has always
tried to keep his creative juices flowing and at the same time use his
clout to bring attention to other obscure artists and styles.Had Blind
Faith stayed together Steve Winwood would have been a superstar.He tried
with Delaney and Bonnie and that failed and Leon Russell had modest
success.He put Bob Marley and JJ Cale on the map with their different
styles.He had a modest country hit with Lay Down Sally and this was
during the time when Waylon and Willie were making inroads with country
in the mainstream.He then teamed with Phil Collins, who was one of the
hottest artists at the time. Then he started making movie
soundtacks.Then comes Journeyman which gave everyone hope he was going
back to Cream days(Bad Love has that sound),He makes FTC which pays
homage to the blues artists, he's so revered.He finally wins a Grammy
with Bayface which to me finally recognizes his musical genius to the
world.I remember I was in tears.Who does he pay tribute to during his
speech,Curtis Mayfield,a sign of things to come.He tries Techno.What
other artist from his time would try to pull this off.He has always
tried to stay current, all the while keeping his signature Clapton
phrasing on guitar.If he could do Rap I think he would try it.He then
gets BB to do an album(underrated)which is ,I think a tribute because he
is one of the last living legends of blues guitar.Reptile is definitely
a tribute to his family,which I think he may feel a bit guilty about,and
may be the reason why he didn't play a lot of songs off of it.(The
tour)During the concert for NY,he flew all the way from South
America,but what happened.He asked Buddy Guy to play with him,why,to pay
tribute to him and the blues musicians past and present, Everybody
thought he would play ''River of Tears""but he comes out with blues,I
thought he stole the moment.Then McCartney kept asking him for solo's
because he needed the legend to steal the show.Did you notice that
Clapton was the only one with an instrument (no Townshend or anyone) in
his hand.Clapton,through the years has played on everybody and their
mothers albums.Why? they ask him to.Who else! If you need the best,you
ask the best.
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From: "Josh Ritter"
Subject: MP3 of the Week...not this week!
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Hey Slowhanders -
Due to changing high-speed ISP's, networking, and basic MS Windows problems
this week, I'm sorry to report there will be no MP3 this week, as if many
didn't already discern that, being Friday and all. Sorry to those who keep
checking the site, I couldn't get to a computer until today. Maybe there'll
be two next week, who knows....
Regards,
Josh Ritter
www.msu.edu/~ritterj3
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From: hilker.g@pg.com
Subject: re: Eric Clapton's Career Questions
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Bob,
(1) Clapton has always written his best music and played guitar with the most
emotion when he has had some sort of tragedy in his life. Would I advise him to
screw-up his life more so that his music is better? Certainly not!!!
(2) Clapton seems to finally be happy with himself. If that is true, then the
road he's travelled down was the right one. That's tons more important than
whatever fans like you or me think. Therefore: No advice necessary!
Greg Hilker
End of slowhand Digest V02 Issue #19