slowhand Digest Volume 02 : Issue 22
Today's Topics:
Budokan Soundboard Offer
EC in London in June 2002 ! (fwd)
Re: non EC material
Re: Recommendations from 80's and 70's
Yet more re: criticizing critics
question re: 1987 Prince's Trust Concert
70s and 80s
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From: "David J. Hedges"
Subject: Budokan Soundboard Offer
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I am very interested in receiving a copy of the Budokan Soundboard offer.
Would someone with access please e-mail me off the list as to how I might
participate. Thank you! bluesdjh@yahoo.com
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From: David Hillman
Subject: EC in London in June 2002 ! (fwd)
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Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 16:46:59 -0500
From: Christian Stallknecht
To: slowhand@planet-torque.com
Subject: EC in London in June 2002 !
Hi all !
Eric Clapton takes part in a concert in London for the Queens 50th jubilee on June the 3rd.
Also takes part Mick Jagger and Sir Paul McCartney. The tickets are for free, but will be issued by ballot.
Good luck !
Christian
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From: "Scott Wallenberg"
Cc: "Slowhander"
Subject: Re: non EC material
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Go buy Goldmine magazine and you'll get an idea of the discs value from all
the other ads.
You can also put it up for bid there.
Scott
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From: Pat Toth
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: non EC material
> Sorry about taking up space for non-EC material.
> I ran across an old Muddy Waters 78 r.p.m. record the other day called
"Got My Mojo Working"
> circa 1952. You know it's one of those thick type discs that will shatter
if dropped. Does anyone out there
> have any idea on what it's worth
>
> thanks
> Buster
>
>
> End of slowhand Digest V02 Issue #21
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From: "Scott Wallenberg"
Cc:
Subject: Re: Recommendations from 80's and 70's
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Ooops, forgot to include Eric Clapton. 1st solo. Let It Rain, After
Midnight, Blues Power are the best.A lot of Delaney songs that are kind of
weak. The Delaney mix however is the version to have, the guitars are more
up front. EC's vocals are pretty immature and strained but he obviously has
improved!
I would rate it number 2 behind 461 OB.
Scott
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From: Scott Wallenberg
Cc: Slowhander
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Recommendations from 80's and 70's
> It's my turn to be a critic! I do not rate the live albums in this rating.
> My ratings of the 80's:
> 1) Money and Cigarettes 1983 Great Rhythm section!, Good rockers Ain't
going
> down, Shape you're in, and tasty blues like Crosscut Saw and Everybody
> Oughta Change..His on the Wagon record.
> 2) Journeyman 1989 Very strong guitars, vocals, Acoustic slide, Blues
> 3) Behind the Sun 1985 Phil Collins drum sounds and guitar synth doesn't
do
> much for me but I did enjoy Just Like A Prisoner solo (albeit spliced) and
> She's waiting had a lot of energy. Forever Man session put him and Nathan
> together.
> 4) Another Ticket 1981 Very Lazy, Weak production. The blues numbers ie
Blow
> Wind Blow,Floating Bridge were good but the rockers like "catch me if you
> can" and Rita Mae, were pretty lame!
> 5) August 1986 Too slick for my tastes. Enjoyed the songs on tour more
than
> the record.Holy Mother is the standout.
> The 70's
> 1) 461 Ocean Blvd.1974 Welcome back. Not enough solos but great material
and
> energy.
> 2) Backless 1978 I just happen to love the acoustic based songs. Golden
> Ring, Tell Me that you love Me,
> Walk Out in the Rain. Not too many agree with me on this
> 3) Slowhand 1977 Lots of great songs. Cocaine, The Core, Wonderful
Tonight.
> 4) There's One in every crowd 1975 Talk about laid back. It's a surpriser
at
> times but can't listen more than a couple times a year..
> 5) No Reason to Cry 1976 A mishmash based on no one in charge of the
asylum
> at Shangri-La.
> Double Trouble and Last Night are good blues and Carnival rocks nicely,
but
> EC's voice is weak and guitarwork is sparse.
> There you have it. Look forward to others opining!
> Scott
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Apurva Parikh <>
> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2002 10:43 PM
> Subject: Recommendations from 80's and 70's
>
>
> > SDers:
> >
> > I wanted to get people's impressions on Eric's much maligned 1980's
studio
> > albums? Is the general consensus that although he had his moments, there
> > weren't any top notch albums released?
> >
> > What would be your top five picks for Eric's studio albums in the 1980s,
> in
> > terms of his playing, singing, material, in that order?
> >
> > Also, do you feel the same about his 1970's studio work? not incl. Layla
> >
> >
> > One more note, goto your magazine stores to check out the December 2001
> > Guitarists Icon magazine, they dedicated the entire mag to eric, and his
> > career.
> >
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> >
> > End of slowhand Digest V02 Issue #20
> >
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From: jbroh1@netscape.net (John Broholm)
Subject: Yet more re: criticizing critics
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>(for
instance, what you did as a non-profitable media commentator); <
Man, you don't know the half of how non-profitable.
Anyway, your criticism of the critics is wholly justified; just remember that there *is* a marketplace working there, and you may not like the product it gives you but there you have it. Somebody else does, at least to the extent to keep it in business. I don't much like what's on the radio these days, either, and I can make a case based on more than just my personal taste that it serves no interest but the broadcast owners' (and certainly not the public interest), but it stays in business.
Think back a minute to the bigger picture. I was fairly impressed in reading reviews from all over the country last summer with the general tone of respect EC was accorded. I probably read two dozen or so. They weren't really bad at all, by and large. Some of the relatively negative ones had their points. Don't we, as fans tend to zero in on the Clapton haters, in our righteous indignation? Who among us doesn't have a pent-up aggression that periodically blazes out irrationally toward something or someone. (The post-Peter Green Fleetwood Mac is one of mine.) Those who write professionally are not only prone to the same thing, the marketplace encourages it. You gotta write with 'tude. Push the envelope. (Fill in the current buzz-phrase here.)
I'm on a list for Jefferson Airplane/Starship/Hot Tuna fans, and the EC flamers come out there on a fairly regular basis. Overrated, boring, sellout... you name it, they call him. Finally one woman wrote to say: "Around here we still like Eric, so bite me." Nobody bit her.
With rock & pop, that's pretty much what it comes down to. The social significance, musicological importance and all that are extremely slight. As I've said, they're hard to write about. The money involved, however, isn't slight. So it's fair game for potshots. Speaking of which (fair game, that is, not potshots):
>Anyway, everybody have tastes and opinions, I don't think mine is more
important than anyone else's, so I wouldn't like to get paid for that, and
make a living with this money. Maybe critics should pay copyright taxes
whenever they make money exploring somebodyelse's art.<
I understand your frustration, but when you take away fair comment and criticism rights from copyright law, I think you're left a whole lot poorer than if you have a lot of lousy commentary. I often feel that if everybody would just shut up and think before they talk, we'd be better off. (The Internet can *really* get me thinking that way.) But if you dampen "bad" speech, you're inevitably going to discourage "good" speech (assuming we could readily agree on the difference anyway), and that ain't good.
I don't think we fundamentally disagree. I just don't see the point in getting all worked up. Screw 'em. Write him a pointedly thoughtful letter, knowing it'll go right over his head, and go on successfully ignoring his existence. That's worse for him than a month of Sundays' worth of attacks.
John Broholm
Lawrence, KS
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From: "Apurva Parikh"
Subject: question re: 1987 Prince's Trust Concert
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Does anyone know which show Eric played a Gibson Les Paul in, during the
1987 Prince's Trust? Was this just one show or a series of shows?
Thanks
Apurva
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From: Bryan Reid
Subject: 70s and 80s
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This has proven to be a good thread.
It prompted me to do some listening but I candidly lost interest after
skipping through three albums (thank Buddha for CD players with remotes!).
Anyway, then I decided to go "pluck" out the blues songs from the 70s and
80s (being one of those "blues" EC people) and see how good they were. I
limited it to studio only and to songs written by real bluesmen covered by
EC. I ended up with 20 including the outtakes on the Blues 2CD set.
Bottom line, pretty poor. I deliberately avoided including either Beano or
FTC but when I got done listening and taking some notes I put FTC on
followed by Beano. Either album blew away the best of the blues tracks from
the 70s and 80s like they were dust in the wind.
Yeah, there's some good stuff in the albums from the 70s and 80s but it's
very few and far between. It reminded me to be grateful that we have the
brilliance and genius of those two albums (even though I am not a fan of
John Mayall's singing).
I'm going to take a similar trip through the live albums, again just the
blues, which I suspect will put that period in a kinder light. EC has
usually responded well to a good crowd over the years.
TTFN
~Bryan
End of slowhand Digest V02 Issue #22