slowhand Digest Volume 02 : Issue 79
Today's Topics:
Re: Derek and The Dominoes (fwd)
Re: Help Needed
Some Upcoming Releases
budoken offer
re:derek and the dominoes
RE: Legends: Crossing Over Fest. '97 & Derek and the Dominos
Rinocerose performance and EC
USA Budokan VCD Offer
Birthday Box Art
U.S.A. VCD BUDAKON OFFER 2cds
good link for people new to B&P Trades
birthday set
FW: CORRECTION! Legends: Crossing Over Fest.
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From: Keith Bode
Subject: Re: Derek and The Dominoes (fwd)
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I don't dispute what you are saying at all, but feel there is an image
of D+D that is the basis for my viewpoint. Factually, I have never
researched the history of D+D, or Clapton as much as I have other
music. Also, although I agree with Jerry Garcia when he said "Clapton",
when asked who the greatest guitarist in rock is, about 1972. But after
the recording and release of Derek and the Dominoes, and they're
subsequent tour of the US, I believe most of us on the West side of the
Atlantic Ocean saw Duanne Allman as a central figure to D+D, regardless
of the facts. We also believed the name of the band was based one the
collaboration of Duanne and Eric.
What I also believe to be an interesting aside to the part about the
Layla record taking several years to make it bigtime, I don't think
Duanne Allman was never recognized for his amazing talent until several
years after the ABB, Live at Fillmore East was released, and Duanne had
passed away. Ironically, the music that made them famous, didn't bring
them fame until after Duanne's death........ok enough off topic
ramblings.
Keith
Hello all,
I have to chime in on this issue.
"For Clapton to continue long-term with the name
Derek..... would have
been completely inappropriate, with Duanne Allman out of
the picture."
Not to attack Keith's opinion (which we all have a
right to express),
but I feel this line has been taken out of context.
While it cannot be
argued that Duane Allman elevated the Layla sessions to a
level of one of the
finest hours in rock's history, I do not believe that
band as a whole relied
on Allman for their existence.
First of all, Derek and The Dominoes was around
for a while (with one
small European tour under their belt) before Allman's
name even came up
during the initial recording sessions in Miami. They
were a solid working
unit before they hit the studio in 1970 for the Layla
sessions (they already
had studio experience together as a group working with
Harrison too).
Second of all, I don't believe Derek and The
Dominoes relied on or
considered Duane to be a "full" member of the band. If
my memory serves,
Allman was featured on two songs at first...Key To The
Highway and Have You
Ever Loved A Woman...and then, due to a lull in the ABB
touring schedule, he
was able to return to the Studio in late Oct/early Nov.
1970 to overdub some
more parts on most of the other songs on the album.
History shows that
Clapton offered Duane a spot on the D&D American tour in
1970...and Duane did
meet up with them on two dates. Obviously, Clapton as
well as the rest of
the band saw the conflict that Duane would have as a
member of the Allman
Brothers (in reference to touring and recording with The
Dominoes). It has
always seemed to me that the Layla album is almost a
"John Mayall with Eric
Clapton" type of recording. While all five of the men
are listed as a group
on the album, the stories from the studio show Duane as
more of a very
special guest as opposed to a normal member of the band.
While Clapton was
considered a Bluesbreaker in every means, I think Allman
falls into a guest
category in regard to the Layla album. Why wasn't it
Derek and The Dominoes
With Duane Allman?...who knows!
In my years of listening to the album, I always
considered Duane
Allman as much a part of the Derek and The Dominoes as
any of them...it
wasn't until I read the stories from the studio and
interviews with all of
the members that I realized that Duane's appearance on
the album was more of
a one-time deal. I'm sure both Derek and The Dominoes as
well as Duane hoped
to record and perform together in the future...but, as we
all know, that
wasn't in the cards!
To claim that Duane Allman had as much a part in
Derek and The
Dominoes as Dickey Betts had with The Allmans or Brian
Wilson has with the
Beach Boys is over stepping the facts (in my opinion).
While it is true that
Duane's work with the band is legendary and simply some
of the best guitar
work ever performed, Allman's absence from the road and
the second album is
not what totally stopped Derek and The Dominoes from
being one of the
greatest bands ever. I personally believe the drug use
and Clapton's supreme
aggravation with life (Patti Boyd) is what drove the band
to stop work.
For Clapton to continue the name of Derek and the
Dominoes had little
to do with Duane Allman. It had much more to do with
Clapton's coming of age
as a performer. To claim that Clapton would have
continued to be successful
with another name besides Derek and The Dominoes after
Duane died is also a
bit wrong in my books...The band's true success didn't
come until after the
demise of the group! It took the Layla album almost
three years to sell any
significant copies if you remember! This is, according
to Clapton, one of
the reasons for his seclusion after 1970 (check out one
of his 1985 video
interviews for that fact).
Keith and other digest members, please do not
consider these words as
any kind of attack on your opinions or ideas. It is
rare that I speak up in
the digest, I just wanted to share some light on this
subject. Also know
that I am HUGE fan of Duane Allman and I do not, for one
second, doubt his
role in Derek and The Dominoes or in the history of Rock
N Roll. I just feel
that, perhaps, there is a little more to the issue than
stated in previous
emails!
Thanks for reading! God bless!
Bill
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From: CDonatto@aol.com
Subject: Re: Help Needed
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You're so correct Eddy.
But you skipped a very important site from another one of our Digesters (not
to be confused with those scrumptious Brit biscuits Digestives! )
LOL
Anyhow... on to the site... for the ultimate list of EC links check out the
Doc's site at
http://www.slowhand.net/
He also has a wonderful Nathan East section too!
take care all!
cheryl
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From: DeltaNick
Subject: Some Upcoming Releases
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Some new releases on the Wounded Bird label (www.woundedbird.com): The
Butterfield Blues Band, "In My Own Dream," "Keep on Moving," and "Sometimes
I Just Feel Like Smilin'," $10.98 each; The Electric Flag, "The Band Kept
Playing," $10.98; Roy Buchanan, "A Street Called Straight" and "You're Not
Alone," $12.98, and Dr. John: "The Sun, Moon, And Herbs" (EC makes an
appearance); "Remedies," and Babylon," $10.98 each. I believe that the
Butterfield CDs are being released on CD for the first time.
In what seems to be a duplication of effort, the next batch of Elektra
re-releases will include: Koerner, Ray and Glover, "Blues Rags and
Hollers"/"Lots More Blues Rags"; and the Paul Butterfield Blues Band, "The
Resurrection Of Pigboy Crabshaw"/In My Own Dream." These Elektra releases
may be for the European market only, as Elektra remastered and released "The
Paul Butterfield Blues Band"/"East-West" (one package) in Europe, but not in
the US, last year.
DeltaNick
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From: "ivan"
Subject: budoken offer
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first five get a copy thanks to donna.
if you don't hear back , then you weren't among the 5.
good luck!
ivan
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From: patti
Subject: re:derek and the dominoes
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Hi !
I agree with Bill.
I always thought Eric was Derek. Duane was more like the icing on the cake-
but what do I know- I have listened to the live "Why Does Love Have to Be So
Sad" and Have You Ever Loved a Woman" more than any of the cuts on the
studio album.
Patti
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From: Elliot Paterson
Subject: RE: Legends: Crossing Over Fest. '97 & Derek and the Dominos
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Art Arias [mailto:artaarias@yahoo.com]
> Sent: None
> Subject: Legends: Crossing Over Fest. '97 & Derek and the Dominos
>
>
> Re: LEGENDS: CROSSING OVER FESTIVAL 1997...
>
> >Yeah, I've had it for a while and it's not
> particularly brilliant
> either. It
> sounds odd, kind of like an audience recording but
> with the instruments
> overlayed from the SB - weird! - It also runs fast.<
>
> WRONG! I don't know what audience source recording
> your listening to but this new title on the "EC IS
> HERE" label is a superb soundboard recording that has
> all members playing top notch throughout.
>
> Highly Recommended!
>
I didn't say it *was* an audience recording, just that it sounded like one.
I think the crowd noise together with the instruments don't sound right. I
have it on the EC IS HERE label (it's a number plate style package with a
pic of the gold leaf strat). It is not a superb soundboard recording - Gods
Meeting is superb, this is not bad. And it DOES run fast, which in my view
does not constitute "superb".
Elliot
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Subject: Rinocerose performance and EC
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Hi Slowhanders!
Yesterday i went to see the performance of Rinocerose, french group =
playing french touch music.
On one of their song "Classic Rock Vol. 1" they display on a huge screen =
some of their favorite rock album, their ideal discography.
Among some David Bowie, Bob Dylan, Pink Floyd and many more, we can see =
a best of the Yardbirds, two covers of Cream (wheels of fire and =
Disreali Gears).
Jerome
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From: "Jay"
Subject: USA Budokan VCD Offer
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Hi All ,
Thanks to Patti, I have the Budokan vcd.
As promised I will give it away to the first
(4) people who must also agree to give it away.
Regards,
Jay
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From: jshortri@rmi.net
Subject: Birthday Box Art
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Is the Birthday Box liner art ready? I was told it would be on
http://www.sysabend.org/users/geetarz/ Does anyone know if this is where it
will be found?
John
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John Shortridge
jshortri@rmi.net
Raise your glass to the hard working people
Lets drink to the uncounted heads
Lets think of the wandering millions
Who need leaders but get gamblers instead
-Jagger / Richards
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From: "jsetser"
Subject: U.S.A. VCD BUDAKON OFFER 2cds
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Hello
First four U.S.responses
THANKS
James
for trade or b&P Trade
note:
it works with my computer with windows me, but doesnt work on machine with
xp on it.
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From: "jsetser"
Subject: good link for people new to B&P Trades
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http://www.mcnichol.com/bnp/
Thanks
James
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From: "jsetser"
Subject: birthday set
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Hello Slowhanders,
I have sent 8 or so copies of the Birthday box set out and a couple of
peoples have put it up for trade and hopefully the rest will too.
Thanks to everybody for all of the trades and keep on posting stuff.
Any update on when the artwork will be available for this set?
Thanks
James
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From: Elliot Paterson
Subject: FW: CORRECTION! Legends: Crossing Over Fest.
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Hi,
Just to correct an error in my previous post re "Crossing Over Festival",
the recording does actually run slightly slow, not fast as previously
stated. It's about 1/4 tone down on what it should be. Listened to it again
this morning and I really don't know where the "superb" statement comes
from! Maybe there's a few versions out there (I've only seen the one on the
EC IS HERE label). What I will do is MP3 a few tracks as a sample. I'll do
"Full House" and "Third Degree" at 128 which I predict will be about 9mb/7mb
respectively. Anyone who wants a copy mailed to them just let me know, then
you can decide for yourselves! Art, maybe you could compare these to yours?
Cheers,
Elliot
End of slowhand Digest V02 Issue #79